XTension digest Wednesday, June 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 265 Re: Weather Software List Bounces Re: Thermometer Tutorials Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] Re: Weather Software Re: Weather Software Re: Using the unit description Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] Re: Weather Software Re: Thermometer Re: power failure again Re: Thermometer Re: Weather Software (Hotline) Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] IP Targeting Re: Thermometer Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Re: IP Targeting Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? TX15 thermostat plugin RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Fwd: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea Smarthome PowerLinc Triggering a script via a webpage Re: Weather Software ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:03:59 -0400 From: "Mark F. Nettleingham" Subject: Re: Weather Software The ICAO source (I have no idea what exactly this means) was indeed my problem. As soon as I choose one without letters WeatherMan started displaying the local weather information. I did have one crash while adjusting things (Type 1), however, I couldn't reproduce the crash latter. This is really cool, I am excited about the possibilities and I hope WeatherMan will be come as mature as XTension in the future. I'd gladly pay a reasonable fee for this software after it stabilizes. "Davis, Dean" wrote: > > > I have to cleanup the file that provides ICAO codes. The one you > choose (K56N) does not provide current conditions to the NWS. In > general any ICAO code with a number in it doesn't provide current > conditions. Try a ICAO close to you that is strictly ALPHA. > > Dean Davis > - -- Mark F. Nettleingham markfn@commvault.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:47:06 -0400 From: michael Subject: List Bounces Hi Folks, Just a reminder : Almost every day I get 'bounced' messages from the list server. Sometimes these are from spammers trying to post to the list. But often these are from registered members who are just using a different email address from the one they used to sign-on to the list. Sometimes I notice that these are re-posted later with the correct email address, but most often not. This is a shame, because you do take the time to comment, but your messages are not seen. Remember that I had to enforce the rule that the email address of the poster must be one that is subscribed, because of that infamous Spam message that caught us all off-guard ? Please try to remember to use the right email address. Your comments and your time are valuable and appreciated. michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:06:27 -0400 From: michael Subject: Re: Thermometer Greg said : >I really hate to hear this! >I hadn't started looking for a thermometer yet, but MANY of my plans >depend on having thermometers all over the inside, outside, attic and >basement. Hi Folks, There are two kinds of 'thermometer' that are useful in our sense. A true thermometer gives an 'analog' reading... 70degF 71degF etc... This type requires that the 'interface' can detect the value and pass it thru to XTension. This can be accomplished with the ADB I/O (no longer produced), or by the LynX-Port (NOT the LynX-10). Up to 4 analog temperature sensors can be connected to the LynX-Port, and XTension will handle the inputs very nicely. But there is also a type of temperature sensor that only gives an ON or OFF contact, according to a pre-set level that is built-in to the device. These devices are used in all sorts of appliances, like refrigerators, fans etc. They are used to determine whether the temperature is above or below a certain point. Such as in an 'over-heat' condition in a fan or drill press. For example, Klixon makes a whole series of these : < http://www.ti.com/mc/docs/precprod/docs/thermo.htm> They are available in all sorts of shapes, and temperature ranges. They can easily be connected to a PowerFlash module, and thus easily interfaced into your XTension system. They are pretty 'stupid', and certainly not as satisfying as an analog sensor, but for things like aquariums, or 'fail-safe-freezer' sensors, they can be very useful. The key is finding just the right one that you need for your application. Another little thing on the horizon is the possibility that I can figure out how to communicate with the 'one-wire' series of 'button' thermo-sensors. That would allow us to have a series of these strung around the house. michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:22:34 -0400 From: michael Subject: Tutorials Jeff said : >Well.....I didn't exactly miss the tutorials....there's just a lot of them. Hi Jeff, That comment was not directed at you. It's a common problem. There are just too many.... and some of them go on and on... I've thought about changing the home page so that there's a daily changing link to "Today's featured tutorial", with a bit of commentary about the things that you can learn from it. But the biggest problem is that there's about a hundred or more that I still haven't done....:-) michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 10:39:29 -0400 From: "Jeffrey A. Lomicka" Subject: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] About that ground wire: The ground serves several purposes, but the most important is that it provides a way of intentionally blowing your circuit breaker or fuse if the hot wire touches some bare metal. Normally, no current flows in the ground wire. If current flows in the ground wire, something bad has happened. The ground wire ensures the availability of a current path back to the neutral lead in the event that a fault causes the hot wire to touch a metal surface that a human might touch. Imagine a shiny metal toaster. Assume that some time during the night, years of corrosion cause the power lead to come disconnected from the switch, and fall against the outer metal shell. When you wake up in the morning, and groggily reach out to press the lever (lets assume a metal lever), you will be greeted with a rude awakening that no amount of caffeine can match. However, if the shell of the toaster were grounded, when the power lead fell to the shell, there will be path back to "ground" and a large quantity of current will flow. You will hear a bang as the wire makes contact, and then, to prevent a fire, the circuit breaker will trip and the kitchen will go dark. If the toaster is on the same circuit as the refrigerator (it a new home it won't be), you will wake up to warm milk, but you will live to tell the tale. That is also why you want metal circuit boxes grounded, and metal conduit, so that any wiring fault that makes contact with the exposed metal will trip the circuit breaker rather than leave all that exposed metal at 120 volts. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:12:22 -0700 From: Jeff Eigenraam Subject: Re: Weather Software > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3074573542_1431207_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not sure if this is relavent, but I am running Weatherman on my Performa 550 and my wife loves being able to check the weather whenever. I usually run Xtension, a small Hotline server, a simple screen saver, a web cam, and now Weatherman, all at the same time. When I woke up this morning, on top of the screen saver was a system bomb saying a System error had ocurred "Weatherman" bus error. I've been running Weatherman for about a week on it and everything has been fine, in fact in runs better than on my normal machine using 9.1(the radar map doesn't show up). Just thought you might want to know. Jeff on 6/4/01 8:21 PM, Davis, Dean at Dean.Davis@thehollandgroupinc.com wrote: I have to cleanup the file that provides ICAO codes. The one you choose (K56N) does not provide current conditions to the NWS. In general any ICAO code with a number in it doesn't provide current conditions. Try a ICAO close to you that is strictly ALPHA. - --MS_Mac_OE_3074573542_1431207_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Weather Software Not sure if this is relavent, but I am running Weatherman on my Performa 55= 0 and my wife loves being able to check the weather whenever.  I usuall= y run Xtension, a small Hotline server, a simple screen saver, a web cam, an= d now Weatherman, all at the same time.  When I woke up this morning, o= n top of the screen saver was a system bomb saying a System error had ocurre= d "Weatherman" bus error.  I've been running Weatherman for a= bout a week on it and everything has been fine, in fact in runs better than = on my normal machine using 9.1(the radar map doesn't show up).  Just th= ought you might want to know.
Jeff


on 6/4/01 8:21 PM, Davis, Dean at Dean.Davis@thehollandgroupinc.com wrote:<= BR>

I have to cleanup the file that provides ICAO codes. The one= you choose (K56N) does not provide current conditions to the NWS. In genera= l any ICAO code with a number in it doesn't provide current conditions. Try = a ICAO close to you that is strictly ALPHA.

- --MS_Mac_OE_3074573542_1431207_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 08:46:49 -0700 From: scott@macplus.com Subject: Re: Weather Software - --------------878CA3EB08A64935E040F28B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jeff, What is the use of Hotline? Jeff Eigenraam wrote: > Not sure if this is relavent, but I am running Weatherman on my > Performa 550 and my wife loves being able to check the weather > whenever. I usually run Xtension, a small Hotline server, a simple > screen saver, a web cam, and now Weatherman, all at the same time. > When I woke up this morning, on top of the screen saver was a system > bomb saying a System error had ocurred "Weatherman" bus error. I've > been running Weatherman for about a week on it and everything has been > fine, in fact in runs better than on my normal machine using 9.1(the > radar map doesn't show up). Just thought you might want to know. > Jeff > > > on 6/4/01 8:21 PM, Davis, Dean at Dean.Davis@thehollandgroupinc.com > wrote: > > > > I have to cleanup the file that provides ICAO codes. The one > you choose (K56N) does not provide current conditions to the > NWS. In general any ICAO code with a number in it doesn't > provide current conditions. Try a ICAO close to you that is > strictly ALPHA. > - --------------878CA3EB08A64935E040F28B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Jeff,
What is the use of Hotline?

Jeff Eigenraam wrote:

Not sure if this is relavent, but I am running Weatherman on my Performa 550 and my wife loves being able to check the weather whenever.  I usually run Xtension, a small Hotline server, a simple screen saver, a web cam, and now Weatherman, all at the same time.  When I woke up this morning, on top of the screen saver was a system bomb saying a System error had ocurred "Weatherman" bus error.  I've been running Weatherman for about a week on it and everything has been fine, in fact in runs better than on my normal machine using 9.1(the radar map doesn't show up).  Just thought you might want to know.
Jeff
 

on 6/4/01 8:21 PM, Davis, Dean at Dean.Davis@thehollandgroupinc.com wrote:
 

 
I have to cleanup the file that provides ICAO codes. The one you choose (K56N) does not provide current conditions to the NWS. In general any ICAO code with a number in it doesn't provide current conditions. Try a ICAO close to you that is strictly ALPHA.
- --------------878CA3EB08A64935E040F28B-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 12:39:44 -0400 From: "Hendrik W. M. van Eeden" Subject: Re: Using the unit description Hi Michael, Yes that works Ok. Thanks. What I wanted to do is find out what the sequence of dusk sensor coming ON would be. Found out that "last timestamp" is no good since it also registers a OFF signal. I now set the description in ON script to the (current date) as string. It then logs all sensors whenever anyone is turned ON. I did look in the manual but was not aware of the coercions that are going on. Where do I find out this kind of stuff. I have the AppleScript Language guide, but could not find it there either. Must not be looking in the right places. Thanks anyway, Henk michael wrote: > Hendrik said : > >On another topic, why does the line > >set description of "Living Room Dusk" to timestamp not work. It gives > >me an error. Whereas, when I use current date as string it does work. > >Timestamp as string does not work either. > >Any suggestions? > > Hello Henk, > > Without more detail I would be just fishing. > What exactly do you want to do ? > > Did you see the time stamp example in the manual ? > > write log "Last timestamp : " & last timestamp of "Door Bell" > > That works because AppleScript 'type casts' the time stamp as 'string' > because the first argument of the 'write log' is clearly a 'string'... > > In the simplest form just make your script : > > set description of "Living Room Dusk" to last timestamp of "Living Room > Dusk" as string > > 'zat work ? > michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:42:28 -0500 From: James Sentman Subject: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] > >That is also why you want metal circuit boxes grounded, and metal >conduit, so that any wiring fault that makes contact with the >exposed metal will trip the circuit breaker rather than leave all >that exposed metal at 120 volts. Except that I dont think there is anywhere you will get a new house with metal boxes or conduit of any kind anymore. Everything I have seen is wired with romex or some similar plastic coated wire and plastic boxes. When my dad built our house in Chicago in 75 it was still code there for having all your wire in conduit. That was great cause if we needed a new circuit somewhere, or an extra wire we just pulled it through the wall. This was very useful! Unfortunately they dont build them like that anymore. You get crappy romex run through the place and if you want more wires you have to rip into the walls. I guess it's cheaper, but I still remember fondly using a fish tape with my dad to pull wire when I was 6. Well, I didn't pull, but I did help feed the other end while my dad pulled the wire. Conduit was also safe from people hammering nails into the wall, romex isn't. Remember that scene in, I think it was Pacific Heights, where the Asian fellow goes to hang a picture and the nail starts sparking and burning the wall? That can't happen with conduit. I have suffered recently from the lack of conduit. When putting in some fancy X10 switches that required a connection to the negative, instead of just straight through like the cheap ones, in some places I was unable to use them because of the lack of the proper wires. If there had been conduit I could have pulled in an extra white wire in a matter of minutes. As it was I had to abandon part of the project or tear into the walls. I think the electricians union must be loosing some of their power;) - -James - -- _________________________________________________________________________ James Sentman http://www.sentman.com Enterprise server monitoring with: http://whistleblower.sentman.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:49:48 -0500 From: James Sentman Subject: Re: Weather Software >Not sure if this is relavent, but I am running Weatherman on my >Performa 550 and my wife loves being able to check the weather >whenever. I usually run Xtension, a small Hotline server, a simple >screen saver, a web cam, and now Weatherman, all at the same time. > When I woke up this morning, on top of the screen saver was a >system bomb saying a System error had ocurred "Weatherman" bus >error. I've been running Weatherman for about a week on it and >everything has been fine, in fact in runs better than on my normal >machine using 9.1(the radar map doesn't show up). Just thought you >might want to know. >Jeff Weatherman is a real basic app and while I have never seen one give a buss error before one potential cause is the screensaver. If there are not enough processor cycles available when an RB app is trying to do networking stuff I've seen programs crash. I believe this is a buffering problem where the interrupt networking stuff continues to insert data, but the program itself never gets enough time to process the buffer so it overflows and bombs. I can duplicate these errors if I let retrospect do a backup in the foreground while my RB apps are running in the background. It doesn't always happen, but retrospect steals enough cycles for it to be a danger. On my 8600 in the basement I run XTension, Quid Pro Quo, File Sharing, a TB2 autoresponder, a TB2 passthrough server, the Mac DynDNS client, Whistle Blower and sometimes a bunch of other programs as well. It never has a problem no matter who is in the foreground, even though 4 or 5 of those programs are realbasic apps. But when I was running backups on there, or when I had a screensaver running that stole all the cycles to do a silly display it would become unstable. (and XTension would give me 'unable to send command' errors too) It might not apply to you as you say it's a 'simple' screensaver, but if it's doing anything graphic, it might not be letting your other programs do enough work. - -James - -- _________________________________________________________________________ James Sentman http://www.sentman.com Enterprise server monitoring with: http://whistleblower.sentman.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:50:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Sutherland Subject: Re: Thermometer michael, I checked out the webpage. Since I want to make decisions based on the temperature difference as well as the actual temperature, I don't think these will do what I want. Even for the actual temperature its a problem since the differential is so large. A 100 degree switch would continue to report that the attic was over 100 degrees until the temperature dropped below 80 degrees. There has to be a way, but it may take a while to think of it and the solution may be too expensive. greg On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, michael wrote: > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:06:27 -0400 > From: michael > Reply-To: xtensionlist@shed.com > To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Subject: Re: Thermometer > > Hi Folks, > > There are two kinds of 'thermometer' that are useful in our sense. > > A true thermometer gives an 'analog' reading... 70degF 71degF etc... > This type requires that the 'interface' can detect the value and pass it > thru to XTension. > > This can be accomplished with the ADB I/O (no longer produced), or > by the LynX-Port (NOT the LynX-10). Up to 4 analog temperature > sensors can be connected to the LynX-Port, and XTension will handle > the inputs very nicely. > > But there is also a type of temperature sensor that only gives an ON or OFF > contact, according to a pre-set level that is built-in to the device. > > These devices are used in all sorts of appliances, like refrigerators, > fans etc. > They are used to determine whether the temperature is above or below > a certain point. Such as in an 'over-heat' condition in a fan or drill press. > > For example, Klixon makes a whole series of these : > < http://www.ti.com/mc/docs/precprod/docs/thermo.htm> > > They are available in all sorts of shapes, and temperature ranges. > > They can easily be connected to a PowerFlash module, and thus easily > interfaced into your XTension system. > > They are pretty 'stupid', and certainly not as satisfying as an analog sensor, > but for things like aquariums, or 'fail-safe-freezer' sensors, they can be > very useful. > > The key is finding just the right one that you need for your application. > > Another little thing on the horizon is the possibility that I can figure out > how to communicate with the 'one-wire' series of 'button' thermo-sensors. > That would allow us to have a series of these strung around the house. > > michael > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:06:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Greg Sutherland Subject: Re: power failure again In Augusta, GA they were on sale last week, but not today. On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, Jeff Rothfus wrote: > Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:50:04 -0400 > From: Jeff Rothfus > Reply-To: xtensionlist@shed.com > To: xtensionlist > Subject: Re: power failure again > > 'Staples' office supply store is running a closeout sale on APC BackUPS > 300's: $49.95 each, with a $40 rebate. > > .... that's $9.95 per unit. > > Cheers, > jeff > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:22:06 -0400 From: Eric Reuter Subject: Re: Thermometer Another option for analog input is the Weeder Analog Input Board. (www.weedtech.com). I have one of the digital I/O boards, and it's great. Really easy to code for in RealBasic. You could probably do it in AS too if you want - it's just RS-232. The resolution is 12 bits. Each channel has two alarm points too. So, you could poll the channels for up-to-date levels OR just wait for alarms, depending on your application. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 11:23:00 -0700 From: Jeff Eigenraam Subject: Re: Weather Software (Hotline) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3074584980_2119529_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 6/5/01 8:46 AM, scott@macplus.com at scott@macplus.com wrote: Hey Jeff, What is the use of Hotline? If your asking what Hotline is, its peer to peer client/server software. You can get the software at http://www.bigredh.com if your asking what I do with it, I have put Mac home automation software on it for people to download from me. All the demos and shareware I could find for the Mac. I've thought of putting PC demos also, but I have limited bandwidth on my DSL and don't want a zillion people sucking it up all the time. Since there is limited software for the Mac, and most of it is small in size....I get few hits, maybe 20 DL's out of 300 connects. - --MS_Mac_OE_3074584980_2119529_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Weather Software (Hotline) on 6/5/01 8:46 AM, scott@macplus.com at scott@macplus.com wrote:

Hey Jeff,
What is the use of Hotline?


If your asking what Hotline is, its peer to peer client/server software. &n= bsp;You can get the software at
http://www.bigredh.com
if your asking what I do with it, I have put Mac home automation software o= n it for people to download from me.  All the demos and shareware I cou= ld find for the Mac.  I've thought of putting PC demos also, but I have= limited bandwidth on my DSL and don't want a zillion people sucking it up a= ll the time.  Since there is limited software for the Mac, and most of = it is small in size....I get few hits,  maybe 20 DL's out of 300 connec= ts. - --MS_Mac_OE_3074584980_2119529_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:27:22 -0500 From: Andy Montag Subject: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] The electricians union is still alive and well in Chicagoland. My house in the NW suburbs was built 8 years ago with conduit and it is still code today. Sorry to hear the rest of the country isn't so hacker friendly. Andy >>That is also why you want metal circuit boxes grounded, and metal >>conduit, so that any wiring fault that makes contact with the >>exposed metal will trip the circuit breaker rather than leave all >>that exposed metal at 120 volts. > >Except that I dont think there is anywhere you will get a new house >with metal boxes or conduit of any kind anymore. Everything I have >seen is wired with romex or some similar plastic coated wire and >plastic boxes. When my dad built our house in Chicago in 75 it was >still code there for having all your wire in conduit. That was great >cause if we needed a new circuit somewhere, or an extra wire we just >pulled it through the wall. This was very useful! > >Unfortunately they dont build them like that anymore. You get crappy >romex run through the place and if you want more wires you have to >rip into the walls. I guess it's cheaper, but I still remember >fondly using a fish tape with my dad to pull wire when I was 6. >Well, I didn't pull, but I did help feed the other end while my dad >pulled the wire. Conduit was also safe from people hammering nails >into the wall, romex isn't. Remember that scene in, I think it was >Pacific Heights, where the Asian fellow goes to hang a picture and >the nail starts sparking and burning the wall? That can't happen >with conduit. > >I have suffered recently from the lack of conduit. When putting in >some fancy X10 switches that required a connection to the negative, >instead of just straight through like the cheap ones, in some places >I was unable to use them because of the lack of the proper wires. If >there had been conduit I could have pulled in an extra white wire in >a matter of minutes. As it was I had to abandon part of the project >or tear into the walls. > >I think the electricians union must be loosing some of their power;) > >-James >-- >_________________________________________________________________________ >James Sentman http://www.sentman.com > Enterprise server monitoring with: http://whistleblower.sentman.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 14:41:12 -0400 From: "Bob K." Subject: IP Targeting Hello everyone, Recently I built a Linux box to serve as my internet gateway at home. I've just started to think about IP targeting and being able to reach my XTension Mac from the net, of course first getting past my gateway. I know this has been discussed briefly here before. Could somebody give me a push? - -Bob K. ************************** Robert E. Karaffa, II Technical Director Emory University Flow Cytometry Core Facility 1365 B Clifton Rd., Room B3111 Atlanta, Ga 30322 voice: 404/778-4889 e-mail: rkaraff@emory.edu ************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:08:14 -0400 From: "Jeffrey A. Lomicka" Subject: Re: Thermometer Maybe you can do something with the microphone port? The A/D in there is AC coupled, so you can't just use a thermistor and a battery, you have to get the signal to look like audio. I can think of three possibilities, essentially AM, FM, and pulse width modulation. The easiest hardware would be AM, where you use a thermistor as part of a voltage divider, and feed it tone. Host software then digitizes a sample of the stuff and looks at the amplitude of the result. For an oscillator you can use a step-down transformer connected to the AC line, the lower voltage the better, but some cheap "ac adaptor" that puts out 6V AC would do. Then uses resistors to divide that down, and use the thermistor as part of the voltage divider so that you get a measurable range of voltage between about 1.0v and 0.1 v depending on temperature. Then find some scriptable audio capture program, and tell it to capture a second of the stuff, and scan the resulting .AIFF file for peaks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:24:49 -0400 From: 323 Subject: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] on 6/5/01 10:39 AM, Jeffrey A. Lomicka at jlomicka@mac.com wrote: > The ground wire ensures the availability of a current path back to > the neutral lead in the event that a fault causes the hot wire to > touch a metal surface that a human might touch. So is it "safe" to just tuck the ground back into the box since no x-10 switch provides a place for it? What is the worst that could happen in this situation? I assume most of the folks on the list have already done this with little to no problems right?? - -- Mike Yrabedra President 323 Enterprises Home of The MacDock and The MacSurfshop [http://macdock.com] : [http://macsurfshop.com] FAX & VOICE: 1.877.581.2563 _______________________________________________________________________ "in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths." Proverbs 3:6 NIV - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:31:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "bri.cors" Subject: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Greetings! I am in the process of spec'ing out an x10 cam setup for my new apartment, as I want to be able to see on a screen the door and stairway up to it. I also will be running an Airport network in the near future, and understand that the two technologies (x10 and 802.11) both use the 2.4GHz frequency. My question is, has anyone here done anything with both of these technologies in the same space, and did you encounter any interference, when you have been? If so, was there anything that could be done to resolve it? Thanks in advance, I look forward to your responses! ________________________________________________________________________ bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:37:52 -0400 From: "Jeffrey A. Lomicka" Subject: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] If the electrical box is metal, you should attach the wire to that (if it isn't already). There should be a threaded hole in there somewhere for a green screw. If the box is not metal, a purist would attach it under the mounting screw for the switch, so that the metal parts of the switch would be grounded. I didn't do this. I just tucked it away in the back. In addition, if you have multiple ground wires entering the box from various directions, you should make sure they are all wired together, so that you don't end up with an ungrounded outlet somewhere. All the ground wires entering the box should be connected to each other. >So is it "safe" to just tuck the ground back into the box since no x-10 >switch provides a place for it? What is the worst that could happen in this >situation? I assume most of the folks on the list have already done this >with little to no problems right?? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 13:43:52 -0600 From: Chuck Pelto Subject: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea Hi There, Earlier, I asked what sort of dimmer switch might work with controlling a blower unit on an evaporative cooler. I was informed that there was no such beastie due to the fact that all dimmer switches were oriented towards lights and not appliances. Here's an alternate idea on this topic. How about a dimmer switch controlling a relay switch? I.e., the dimmer switch turns on, off or sets the power to a relay-esque switch that actually handles the 10 amps to the blower unit on the swamp cooler? The question is, is there such a relay switch that will allow for this kind of control. I've got a couple of electic supply shops beating the bushes. Does anyone here know of such a switch? Does the idea sound feasible? Regards, Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:48:07 -0500 From: James Sentman Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Yes, I run both airport and X10 cams. It is possible that they can interfere With each other. You need to make sure that the channels you choose for them are on opposit ends of the spectrum. Airport has some 11 or more channels that you can choose from. the cams are less specific and i think only offer a low or high channel. There might be a setting in the middle, I dont know. I moved my X10 cams to the high position and left my airport on the default and they now work just fine together. But out of the box an X10 cam will completely halt an airport network. The channel switch on the X10 cams is under an oval piece of rubber on the transmitter base. - -James >Greetings! > >I am in the process of spec'ing out an x10 cam setup for my new apartment, >as I want to be able to see on a screen the door and stairway up to it. > >I also will be running an Airport network in the near future, and >understand that the two technologies (x10 and 802.11) both use the 2.4GHz >frequency. > >My question is, has anyone here done anything with both of these >technologies in the same space, and did you encounter any interference, >when you have been? If so, was there anything that could be done to >resolve it? > >Thanks in advance, I look forward to your responses! - -- _________________________________________________________________________ James Sentman http://www.sentman.com Enterprise server monitoring with: http://whistleblower.sentman.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:54:01 -0500 From: James Sentman Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea > >I was informed that there was no such beastie due to the fact that all >dimmer switches were oriented towards lights and not appliances. I have definitely seen units that say they are capable of 'motor speed control' this is what you want to look for if you are controlling a motor;) >Here's an alternate idea on this topic. > >How about a dimmer switch controlling a relay switch? I.e., the dimmer >switch turns on, off or sets the power to a relay-esque switch that >actually handles the 10 amps to the blower unit on the swamp cooler? > >The question is, is there such a relay switch that will allow for this >kind of control. There are certainly AC relays that you could turn on and off from a regular X10 controller. But I can't quite decide that this would be better than simply getting the right kind of X10 device. If all you want to do is to switch the load on and off you can get an X10 switch capable of handling 'inductive' loads. I believe that the appliance modules will do that. And they make both 220v as well as high amperage versions of this more than capable of switching 10 amps. If you enjoy hacking around then by all means use a regular appliance module to turn on and off power to a massive relay. Sounds like fun to build, but not necessary. - -James - -- _________________________________________________________________________ James Sentman http://www.sentman.com Enterprise server monitoring with: http://whistleblower.sentman.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:54:53 -0400 From: "Jeffrey A. Lomicka" Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea You mean, an appliance module? We all interpreted your question as a request to vary the fan speed of the swamp cooler. If you just want to turn it on and off, you can use an appliance module, or one of the wire-in, switch, or socket equivalents. If the fan has unusually high current, you need the high current version of the appliance module. The price is higher that for a dimmer, the cheapest I've seen in wall switch form is about $30.00, so to control a florescent I just wired in a $8 appliance module. >How about a dimmer switch controlling a relay switch? I.e., the dimmer >switch turns on, off or sets the power to a relay-esque switch that >actually handles the 10 amps to the blower unit on the swamp cooler? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:46:28 -0400 From: "Dr Chester Lapeza" Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? > I also will be running an Airport network in the near future, and > understand that the two technologies (x10 and 802.11) both use the 2.4GHz > frequency. I have a set-up similar to what you are planning and have no problems. I have an X-Cam set up to monitor the front driveway, a 2.4GHz baby monitor camera, and an Airport network all running without problems. The main interference I see is the Airport creates a horizontal white bar of distortion in the X-Cam signal that jumps around the picture. You will probably have to do some fiddling with channels on everything involved, but it can be done. My Airport network stopped working one time, and I discovered that the channel had somehow gotten changed to one that conflicted with the X-Cam. Good luck. Chester ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:00:04 -0500 From: "Prsha, Jerry" Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? James, Does one channel get better reception than another, in your opinion? Jp > ---------- > From: James Sentman > Reply To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2001 2:48 PM > To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? > > Yes, I run both airport and X10 cams. It is possible that they can > interfere With each other. You need to make sure that the channels > you choose for them are on opposit ends of the spectrum. > > Airport has some 11 or more channels that you can choose from. the > cams are less specific and i think only offer a low or high channel. > There might be a setting in the middle, I dont know. > > I moved my X10 cams to the high position and left my airport on the > default and they now work just fine together. But out of the box an > X10 cam will completely halt an airport network. > > The channel switch on the X10 cams is under an oval piece of rubber > on the transmitter base. > > -James > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:58:08 -0400 From: Phil Pedersen Subject: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] At 3:24 PM -0400 6/5/01, 323 wrote: > >So is it "safe" to just tuck the ground back into the box since no x-10 >switch provides a place for it? What is the worst that could happen in this >situation? I assume most of the folks on the list have already done this >with little to no problems right?? Yes, it's safe as long as you make sure that any other ground connections inside the box, i.e., ones that continue on to other loads, are still good. Usually, the ground wire going to a switch or a receptacle is a pigtail from a wire-nutted connection unless it's at the end of a circuit. In lots of places a small crimp ring is used instead of a wirenut and some places allow just twisting the wires together sufficiently that they make a good connection (I wouldn't trust this even though it's done and presumably passed inspection.) I've done this on all the X10 and Leviton and PCS switches I've installed with no problems. The worst that can happen is 1. You short out a hot lead to ground when you shove everything back in since the X10 switch bodies are bigger than the regular switches or 2. you have to replace pigtails or find them in the back of the box when you sell your house and replace all the switches with standard ones. In the case of 1. above, make sure that you get the wires pushed back into a nice neat position. The goal is that you don't have to push the wires back with the switch body as you tighten down the screws. That way, you don't run the risk of shorting stuff out when you can't see it. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:07:07 -0400 From: Phil Pedersen Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? At 3:31 PM -0400 6/5/01, bri.cors wrote: >My question is, has anyone here done anything with both of these >technologies in the same space, and did you encounter any interference, >when you have been? If so, was there anything that could be done to >resolve it? Yes, there is interference. The Airport signal interferes with the video signal. I haven't seen that the video interferes with the Airport data signal; probably because the Airport is digital and has error correction or resends packets on error. The normal thing you see is an interference band running through the video. If all you're doing is monitoring the video, then it's just objectionable but not fatal (IMHO). If you want to use it on a website or automatically monitor changes between frames (to detect motion) then it would be fatal. When you're really transferring lots of data, like a local ftp transfer, then the entire video image is toast for the length of time you're transferring. It depends, of course, on the distances involved and the orientation of antennas. I don't think there's much you can do to stop the interference. You can minimize it by placement (maybe) and then it just depends what you're doing with it and how much you want absolutely stable video. If you want really good video (or as good as you can get from an X10 camera), then go for a wired camera. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "bri.cors" Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, James Sentman wrote: > Yes, I run both airport and X10 cams. It is possible that they can > interfere With each other. You need to make sure that the channels > you choose for them are on opposit ends of the spectrum. Thanks so much for the information - I really appreciate it! I was kind of bummed because I really wanted to do both - but was afraid of possible interference and the like... But check out this x10 cam that a friend of mine is using for a streaming cam - its really fast, and does a great job! http://cam.monkey.org Thanks again. I appreciate it! ________________________________________________________________________ bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:11:11 -0700 From: Bryn Hughes Subject: Re: IP Targeting I think you have to set up portmapping on your Linux box... I've got a similar setup, but I haven't tried to set up portmapper yet. I'm assuming you're using a 2.2.x kernel with IP Masq? Bryn >Hello everyone, > Recently I built a Linux box to serve as my internet gateway at home. >I've just started to think about IP targeting and being able to reach my >XTension Mac from the net, of course first getting past my gateway. I know >this has been discussed briefly here before. Could somebody give me a push? > >-Bob K. >************************** >Robert E. Karaffa, II >Technical Director >Emory University >Flow Cytometry Core Facility >1365 B Clifton Rd., Room B3111 >Atlanta, Ga 30322 >voice: 404/778-4889 >e-mail: rkaraff@emory.edu >************************** - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:11:01 -0700 From: Steven Simon Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? The airport creates a lot of interference for the X10.com XXX-anywhere products. I have a 2.4GHz video transmitter and receiver that doesn't cooperate with airport. There are some things that minimize the interference, such as placement and filters on the AC plugs. Airport does have 11 frequencies to choose. I think they can coexist as long as the two devices are not in the same room. Steve On Tuesday, June 5, 2001, at 12:31 PM, bri.cors wrote: > > Greetings! > > I am in the process of spec'ing out an x10 cam setup for my new > apartment, > as I want to be able to see on a screen the door and stairway up to it. > > I also will be running an Airport network in the near future, and > understand that the two technologies (x10 and 802.11) both use the > 2.4GHz > frequency. > > My question is, has anyone here done anything with both of these > technologies in the same space, and did you encounter any interference, > when you have been? If so, was there anything that could be done to > resolve it? > > Thanks in advance, I look forward to your responses! > > ________________________________________________________________________ > bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com > bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:13:19 -0500 From: James Sentman Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? >James, > >Does one channel get better reception than another, in your opinion? well, in my case the one furthest away from the airport channel got the best reception;) When the devices were near to each other and nothing else was on to interfere I couldn't tell any difference at all, however when you put everything else back into the equation it's not as straight forward. And you never know what garbage your neighbors are running. but I think it is entirely related to what other stuff is broadcasting and not related to the actual channel. One channel is not better than the other excpet that it might not be picking up any problems their from other things. - -James - -- _________________________________________________________________________ James Sentman http://www.sentman.com Enterprise server monitoring with: http://whistleblower.sentman.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:15:17 -0500 From: "Prsha, Jerry" Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? What application is he using to serve the video for this? Jp > ---------- > From: bri.cors > Reply To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2001 3:11 PM > To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? > > Thanks so much for the information - I really appreciate it! I was kind > of bummed because I really wanted to do both - but was afraid of possible > interference and the like... > > But check out this x10 cam that a friend of mine is using for a streaming > cam - its really fast, and does a great job! http://cam.monkey.org > > Thanks again. I appreciate it! > > ________________________________________________________________________ > bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com > bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:18:26 -0700 From: Steven Simon Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea If you want to get adventurous, you can use this design for a fan controller. It takes the voltage reference from a dimmer module and uses it to trigger one of four discrete relays, all set to different speeds. http://www.geocities.com/ido_bartana/no_hum_fan.htm Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:17:00 -0500 From: "Prsha, Jerry" Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? K! Thanks! Jp > ---------- > From: James Sentman > Reply To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2001 3:13 PM > To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? > > well, in my case the one furthest away from the airport channel got > the best reception;) When the devices were near to each other and > nothing else was on to interfere I couldn't tell any difference at > all, however when you put everything else back into the equation it's > not as straight forward. And you never know what garbage your > neighbors are running. > > but I think it is entirely related to what other stuff is > broadcasting and not related to the actual channel. One channel is > not better than the other excpet that it might not be picking up any > problems their from other things. > > -James > -- > _________________________________________________________________________ > James Sentman http://www.sentman.com > Enterprise server monitoring with: http://whistleblower.sentman.com/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:18:51 -0400 From: michael Subject: TX15 thermostat plugin Hi Folks, I've been very busy with other things and haven't had a chance to make a tutorial for the TX15 bi-directional thermostat. Steve Fyfe's plug-in works fine, however it does use the attachments script 'command intercept' handler, which does interfere with the 'wireless' parameter (et al). So I added the feature to call a unit script when a 'preset dim' command is received, as well as the new script variable 'command' which lets you know which command type caused the script to be triggered. I have had it working here for a couple of months, and haven't found any problems, so it's time that I at least posted the scripts and plug-in that I'm using. This of course requires at least version 3.5.9, but if you have the TX15, and the MR26 wireless receiver, you really want to move up. If you already have the TX15, it's fairly easy since you have the hard part done (configuring and connecting the TX15). All you should have to do is remove the 'on event xtenRxEv' handler, but I suggest removing all of the TX15 attachment script stuff, and pasting the tx15attach.txt file in its place. Then just 'import' the tx15plugin, which adds the units you'll need, as well as a 'initialize thermostat' script. I'll make it right soon with a complete tutorial, but for now this isn't too complex. get it here: michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 13:35:45 -0700 From: Bryn Hughes Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? Yes, please do tell!!! And what kind of 'net connection? >What application is he using to serve the video for this? > >Jp > >> ---------- >> From: bri.cors >> Reply To: xtensionlist@shed.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2001 3:11 PM >> To: xtensionlist@shed.com >> Subject: Re: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? >> >> Thanks so much for the information - I really appreciate it! I was kind >> of bummed because I really wanted to do both - but was afraid of possible >> interference and the like... >> >> But check out this x10 cam that a friend of mine is using for a streaming >> cam - its really fast, and does a great job! http://cam.monkey.org >> >> Thanks again. I appreciate it! >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com > > bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com > > > > > > - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:37:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "bri.cors" Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Prsha, Jerry wrote: > What application is he using to serve the video for this? I believe that he has the wireless video receiver hooked up to a Unix box running something called camserv - he said that he needed to work on it a bit to get it to work how he wanted it to - but it looks good to me... ________________________________________________________________________ bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:42:27 -0400 From: Phil Pedersen Subject: Fwd: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] For some reason this didn't get to the list. A message after it did though. A resend. >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:58:08 -0400 >To: xtensionlist@shed.com >From: Phil Pedersen >Subject: Re: Why a ground wire? [Was newbie help!] >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >At 3:24 PM -0400 6/5/01, 323 wrote: >> >>So is it "safe" to just tuck the ground back into the box since no x-10 >>switch provides a place for it? What is the worst that could happen in this >>situation? I assume most of the folks on the list have already done this >>with little to no problems right?? > >Yes, it's safe as long as you make sure that any other ground >connections inside the box, i.e., ones that continue on to other >loads, are still good. Usually, the ground wire going to a switch >or a receptacle is a pigtail from a wire-nutted connection unless >it's at the end of a circuit. > >In lots of places a small crimp ring is used instead of a wirenut >and some places allow just twisting the wires together sufficiently >that they make a good connection (I wouldn't trust this even though >it's done and presumably passed inspection.) > >I've done this on all the X10 and Leviton and PCS switches I've >installed with no problems. The worst that can happen is 1. You >short out a hot lead to ground when you shove everything back in >since the X10 switch bodies are bigger than the regular switches or >2. you have to replace pigtails or find them in the back of the box >when you sell your house and replace all the switches with standard >ones. > >In the case of 1. above, make sure that you get the wires pushed >back into a nice neat position. The goal is that you don't have to >push the wires back with the switch body as you tighten down the >screws. That way, you don't run the risk of shorting stuff out when >you can't see it. > >Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 15:46:32 -0500 From: "Prsha, Jerry" Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? I'm thinking about setting up some live video like this over my pond and was wondering... Thanks! Jp > ---------- > From: bri.cors > Reply To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2001 3:37 PM > To: xtensionlist@shed.com > Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? > > I believe that he has the wireless video receiver hooked up to a Unix box > running something called camserv - he said that he needed to work on it a > bit to get it to work how he wanted it to - but it looks good to me... > > ________________________________________________________________________ > bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com > bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "bri.cors" Subject: RE: x10 and Airport Networking = interference? On Tue, 5 Jun 2001, Bryn Hughes wrote: > Yes, please do tell!!! And what kind of 'net connection? I do believe that they have at least a T1 to their office where the cam is located.. Possibly, quite possibly more. ________________________________________________________________________ bri.cors info@badgebrigade.com http://www.badgebrigade.com bri@nerdtech.com http://www.nerdtech.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 15:09:03 -0600 From: Chuck Pelto Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea James Sentman wrote: > > > >I was informed that there was no such beastie due to the fact that all > >dimmer switches were oriented towards lights and not appliances. > > I have definitely seen units that say they are capable of 'motor > speed control' this is what you want to look for if you are > controlling a motor;) This sounds like the proper verbiage I need when addressing this question to the electric parts suppliers...."motor speed control". I'll mention that phrase in my next talk with the supply houses. For those who think I'm only talking about on and off, the original text did say "or sets the power". I'm well aware of the appliance module. It is only on-off. There is no variance in the power supply. Thanks, James, Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:23:19 -0400 From: Ken Landers Subject: Re: Dimmer Switch and Applicances Idea At 4:18 PM -0400 6/5/01, Steve wrote: >If you want to get adventurous, you can use this design for a fan >controller. It takes the voltage reference from a dimmer module and uses >it to trigger one of four discrete relays, all set to different speeds. > >http://www.geocities.com/ido_bartana/no_hum_fan.htm I've seen this for years but never built one - it's been a while since I've been trickled with AC. I'm curious if anyone on this list has built one and their comments. ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:31:44 -0400 From: Philip Pedersen Subject: Smarthome PowerLinc I just got a new Smarthome catalog today. I do buy some stuff from here since they do have some good prices and at least I know they usually have stuff in stock. The PowerLinc is a Smarthome exclusive tha tlooks like a wall wart and has the functionality of the TW523 as well as providing a 12VDC output to power stuff. The manual is online now and it looks like they've made some changes. Besides the standard TW523 protocol, they've added preset dim and an extended raw data protocol for both receive and transmit. At least that's what it seems to say. I didn't look at the TW523 and the Lynx documentation to see if it makes sense, but at first look it may be promising. I'l look at it closer in the light of day. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:19:04 -0700 From: Christian Boyce Subject: Triggering a script via a webpage I want to do something like Jeff did with his web-controlled house, except that (a) I can't get onto his website, and (b) my website is not running on my own server (I rent space from pageplop.com) so I don't have control over it. Can I make a web page with buttons on it that say "turn on the lights" or something similar, triggering applescripts that tell Xtension to do something? Is is possible without having the server here as part of my network? This will make a big difference in the set-up here. You'll see! - -- Christian Boyce http://www.christianboyce.com Home of the famous "BoyceCams" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 01:31:46 -0500 From: Jason Young Subject: Re: Weather Software > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - --MS_Mac_OE_3074635906_19309629_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yikes. You people scare me :) on 6/4/01 11:39 PM, Jeff Eigenraam at macpwr@speakeasy.net wrote: Tides!!! What a great idea to add to the program. I'll look into it. Anyplace on the web where I can that info. Is it a formula to calculate the tides? I would love a good tide intergration. - --MS_Mac_OE_3074635906_19309629_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Weather Software Yikes. You  people scare me :)

on 6/4/01 11:39 PM, Jeff Eigenraam at macpwr@speakeasy.net wrote:

Tides!!! What a great idea to add to= the program. I'll look into it. Anyplace on the web where I can that info. = Is it a formula to calculate the tides?

I would love a good tide intergration.  

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